Comments on: Setback for Holocaust Education in France http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2008/02/17/setback-for-holocaust-education-in-france/ Personal weblog of a web guy from Berlin/Germany with comments on programming, space exploration and assorted stuff. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:35:30 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Eike http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2008/02/17/setback-for-holocaust-education-in-france/comment-page-1/#comment-2630 Eike Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:01:38 +0000 http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2008/02/17/setback-for-holocaust-education-in-france/#comment-2630 <p>I think we can agree then that a persons (or peoples) actions can't be explained by its religious affiliation alone. And insofar your comments suggest that german catholics offered more resistance to the Nazis I would agree - this is, after all, why Hitler wanted the concordat (which meant that the holy see would shut down political catholicism).</p> <p>I have to admit, though, that I think a comparison between Churchill and Sarkozy is not quite appropriate.</p> I think we can agree then that a persons (or peoples) actions can’t be explained by its religious affiliation alone. And insofar your comments suggest that german catholics offered more resistance to the Nazis I would agree – this is, after all, why Hitler wanted the concordat (which meant that the holy see would shut down political catholicism).

I have to admit, though, that I think a comparison between Churchill and Sarkozy is not quite appropriate.

]]> By: Ludovic http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2008/02/17/setback-for-holocaust-education-in-france/comment-page-1/#comment-2623 Ludovic Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:47:32 +0000 http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2008/02/17/setback-for-holocaust-education-in-france/#comment-2623 Sarkozy's statement on nazism and monotheism, is not very different from the opinion of Winston Churchill : « there can never be friendship between the British democracy and the Nazi power, that power which spurns Christian ethics, which cheers its onward course by a barbarous paganism »(1). Although this may not have been enough to convince many Germans to refrain from supporting Hitler, it was a reason among others for people like Winston Churchill, outside or inside Germany, to fight Hitler. In the 1920s and 30s, the Roman catholics in Germany had their own political party, called Zentrum. As Roman catholics usually voted for Zentrum, the statistics of the German national elections of 1930, june 1932, october 1932, january 1933 show that the percentage of Roman catholics within a given constituency was a negative factor, opposing the rise of Hitler's NSDAP party (2)(3). « In Mainz, nazis were debarred from receiving the sacraments, and the Bavarian bishops railed against the anti-clericalism that was perceived to be at the heart of nazi educational policy. In Paderborn and Cologne, the prelates declared Catholicism and National Socialism to be wholly incongruent. The Fulda Episcopal Conference (...) stated in 1931 that National Socialism actually stands in the most pointed contradiction to the fundamental truths of Christianism » (4) (1) Winston Churchill, House of Commons address of 5 October 1938, on the Munich Pact, http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=42 (2) "Le pourcentage de catholiques dans la population. Ce pourcentage a une influence significative opposée à la montée du nazisme." http://www.hec.unil.ch/jlambelet/expose051200.pdf (3) "Although the [NSDAP] party won an increasing percentage of catholic vote after 1928, its electoral base remained far smaller in Catholic Germany than in protestant areas." Thomas Childers, "National Socialism, Social Democracy, National Socialist", in Walter de Gruyter (editor) "Hostages of Modernization Studies on Modern antisemitism" p.231 http://books.google.fr/books?id=_Rap55ZimykC&pg=PA232&lpg=PA231&ots=GraxPGeWJM&output=html&sig=QEO23cwtk8GORjxyWNBbQJIGonU (4) Nicholas Atkin, Frank Tallett, "Priests, Prelates and People, A History of European Catholicism", 2003, p.218 http://books.google.fr/books?id=OF208i6OWDkC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&ots=JrKnPNlAdt&output=html&sig=74hH40zhcfxElQz_qZgFiS62qrE Sarkozy’s statement on nazism and monotheism, is not very different from the opinion of Winston Churchill : « there can never be friendship between the British democracy and the Nazi power, that power which spurns Christian ethics, which cheers its onward course by a barbarous paganism »(1).

Although this may not have been enough to convince many Germans to refrain from supporting Hitler, it was a reason among others for people like Winston Churchill, outside or inside Germany, to fight Hitler.

In the 1920s and 30s, the Roman catholics in Germany had their own political party, called Zentrum. As Roman catholics usually voted for Zentrum, the statistics of the German national elections of 1930, june 1932, october 1932, january 1933 show that the percentage of Roman catholics within a given constituency was a negative factor, opposing the rise of Hitler’s NSDAP party (2)(3).

« In Mainz, nazis were debarred from receiving the sacraments, and the Bavarian bishops railed against the anti-clericalism that was perceived to be at the heart of nazi educational policy. In Paderborn and Cologne, the prelates declared Catholicism and National Socialism to be wholly incongruent. The Fulda Episcopal Conference (…) stated in 1931 that National Socialism actually stands in the most pointed contradiction to the fundamental truths of Christianism » (4)

(1) Winston Churchill, House of Commons address of 5 October 1938, on the Munich Pact, http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=42

(2) “Le pourcentage de catholiques dans la population. Ce pourcentage a une influence significative opposée à la montée du nazisme.” http://www.hec.unil.ch/jlambelet/expose051200.pdf

(3) “Although the [NSDAP] party won an increasing percentage of catholic vote after 1928, its electoral base remained far smaller in Catholic Germany than in protestant areas.” Thomas Childers, “National Socialism, Social Democracy, National Socialist”, in Walter de Gruyter (editor) “Hostages of Modernization Studies on Modern antisemitism” p.231 http://books.google.fr/books?id=_Rap55ZimykC&pg=PA232&lpg=PA231&ots=GraxPGeWJM&output=html&sig=QEO23cwtk8GORjxyWNBbQJIGonU

(4) Nicholas Atkin, Frank Tallett, “Priests, Prelates and People, A History of European Catholicism”, 2003, p.218 http://books.google.fr/books?id=OF208i6OWDkC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&ots=JrKnPNlAdt&output=html&sig=74hH40zhcfxElQz_qZgFiS62qrE

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