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	<title>Comments on: The machine that will not destroy earth</title>
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		<title>By: Eike Pierstorff</title>
		<link>http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2008/05/04/the-machine-that-will-not-destroy-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-22250</link>
		<dc:creator>Eike Pierstorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] german woman living in Zürich wanted to force the FRG to shut down CERNs Large Hadron Collider since, as she argued, it might create tiny black holes that would destroy the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eike</title>
		<link>http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2008/05/04/the-machine-that-will-not-destroy-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-3012</link>
		<dc:creator>Eike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concede the point that some serious scientists actually believe a black hole can form in the LHC (even though that sounds like bad SciFi to me). However the &quot;unlikely&quot; part was supposed to refer to the idea that the earth would be destroyed.

Your concers might be very well commendable, but I still do not agree with you. As far as i can tell http://lhcconcerns.com/ suggests that CERN is rushing into things and that a few months of further research would make a lot of difference in assessing potential dangers. My take is that the LHC has been planned for a long time and that the people behind it have given some thought to possible consequences. That they should discover in the last minute that they have constructed some kind of doomesday machine seems, as I&#039;ve said, unlikely.

Since neither you or me can stop the LHC this is a moot point anyway. If I&#039;m right we can laugh together in a few months about this (how long will the LHC have to run before you consider it safe?) and if not - oh well. Moot point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concede the point that some serious scientists actually believe a black hole can form in the LHC (even though that sounds like bad SciFi to me). However the &#8220;unlikely&#8221; part was supposed to refer to the idea that the earth would be destroyed.</p>
<p>Your concers might be very well commendable, but I still do not agree with you. As far as i can tell <a href="http://lhcconcerns.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lhcconcerns.com/</a> suggests that CERN is rushing into things and that a few months of further research would make a lot of difference in assessing potential dangers. My take is that the LHC has been planned for a long time and that the people behind it have given some thought to possible consequences. That they should discover in the last minute that they have constructed some kind of doomesday machine seems, as I&#8217;ve said, unlikely.</p>
<p>Since neither you or me can stop the LHC this is a moot point anyway. If I&#8217;m right we can laugh together in a few months about this (how long will the LHC have to run before you consider it safe?) and if not &#8211; oh well. Moot point.</p>
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		<title>By: JTankers</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTankers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is rather unlikely for two reasons...&quot;  Actually some very eminent scientists have concluded that the possibility may actually be likely... 

CERN predicts the creation of up to 1 micro black hole per second in the Large Hadron Collider and references the 1999 RHIC safety study as proof of safety.
(Rebuttal: But the 1999 RHIC safety study only ruled out any possibility of colliders creating micro black holes based on knowledge at that time.)

CERN&#039; predicts that micro black holes will evaporate.
(Rebuttal: But Hawking Radiation has been disputed by no less than 3 peer reviewed studies that found no basis in science for such conclusions.)

CERN&#039; and Steven Hawking state that much greater energy cosmic ray impacts with Earth prove safety.
(Rebuttal: But higher energy cosmic ray impacts with stationary particles have net collision speeds less than the speed of light and send all particles created safely into space, while head-on collider collisions have net collision impact speeds at almost twice the speed of light and are designed to focus all the energy to a single point in space and particles created may be captured by Earth&#039;s gravity.)

CERN promised to create and release an new safety report before the end of 2007.
(Rebuttal: CERN&#039;s LHC Safety Assessment Group has concluded that particles created by cosmic ray impacts with Earth&#039;s atmosphere are safely ejected into space and LSAG stated that they do not assume that micro black holes will evaporate, but CERN never released any safety reports created by their LHC Safety Assessment Group.)

CERN asserts that there is no risk to the planet, even though the Large Hadron Collider will create conditions not seen in nature since the first fraction of a second after the big bang.
(Rebuttal: But the legal action contends a 75% probability of risk with very high degree of uncertainty calculated by a scientist with a masters degree in statistics, and alleges that Chief Scientific Officer Mr. Engelen passed an internal memorandum to workers at CERN asking them regardless of personal opinion to affirm in all interviews that there were no risks involved in the experiments, changing CERN&#039;s previous assertion of minimal risk.)

Professor Otto Rossler calculates that a single micro black hole could accrete the Earth is as few as 50 months and Dr. Rossler is world recognized as one of the most prestigious, most eminent, award winning scientists alive.
(Rebuttal?: But CERN has not scientifically refuted his calculations that I am aware of, CERN only promised Dr. Rossler that if they create stable micro black holes that they will stop the experiment. Will that be too late?)

The World might prevent a catastrophy if we delay the experiment until the promised safety studies are completed and peer reviewed.
(Rebuttal?: But then some scientists may not be the first to discover new science and some Nobel prizes may be lost.)

JTankers
LHCConcerns.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is rather unlikely for two reasons&#8230;&#8221;  Actually some very eminent scientists have concluded that the possibility may actually be likely&#8230; </p>
<p>CERN predicts the creation of up to 1 micro black hole per second in the Large Hadron Collider and references the 1999 RHIC safety study as proof of safety.<br />
(Rebuttal: But the 1999 RHIC safety study only ruled out any possibility of colliders creating micro black holes based on knowledge at that time.)</p>
<p>CERN&#8217; predicts that micro black holes will evaporate.<br />
(Rebuttal: But Hawking Radiation has been disputed by no less than 3 peer reviewed studies that found no basis in science for such conclusions.)</p>
<p>CERN&#8217; and Steven Hawking state that much greater energy cosmic ray impacts with Earth prove safety.<br />
(Rebuttal: But higher energy cosmic ray impacts with stationary particles have net collision speeds less than the speed of light and send all particles created safely into space, while head-on collider collisions have net collision impact speeds at almost twice the speed of light and are designed to focus all the energy to a single point in space and particles created may be captured by Earth&#8217;s gravity.)</p>
<p>CERN promised to create and release an new safety report before the end of 2007.<br />
(Rebuttal: CERN&#8217;s LHC Safety Assessment Group has concluded that particles created by cosmic ray impacts with Earth&#8217;s atmosphere are safely ejected into space and LSAG stated that they do not assume that micro black holes will evaporate, but CERN never released any safety reports created by their LHC Safety Assessment Group.)</p>
<p>CERN asserts that there is no risk to the planet, even though the Large Hadron Collider will create conditions not seen in nature since the first fraction of a second after the big bang.<br />
(Rebuttal: But the legal action contends a 75% probability of risk with very high degree of uncertainty calculated by a scientist with a masters degree in statistics, and alleges that Chief Scientific Officer Mr. Engelen passed an internal memorandum to workers at CERN asking them regardless of personal opinion to affirm in all interviews that there were no risks involved in the experiments, changing CERN&#8217;s previous assertion of minimal risk.)</p>
<p>Professor Otto Rossler calculates that a single micro black hole could accrete the Earth is as few as 50 months and Dr. Rossler is world recognized as one of the most prestigious, most eminent, award winning scientists alive.<br />
(Rebuttal?: But CERN has not scientifically refuted his calculations that I am aware of, CERN only promised Dr. Rossler that if they create stable micro black holes that they will stop the experiment. Will that be too late?)</p>
<p>The World might prevent a catastrophy if we delay the experiment until the promised safety studies are completed and peer reviewed.<br />
(Rebuttal?: But then some scientists may not be the first to discover new science and some Nobel prizes may be lost.)</p>
<p>JTankers<br />
LHCConcerns.com</p>
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